Space Search 2012

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We're looking for our first space for the group in the Surrey/Hampshire area. This page lists what we're looking for and what we've found so far.

This project is open to everybody - if you think you've found something that meets the requirements, add it, post to the mailing list and we can investigate it.

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Possible areas

The initial location for the permanent venue was proposed by Alan Wood as Aldershot. Aldershot is relatively inexpensive, and near the Surrey and Hampshire border. Another possible location suggested was Ash Vale, which may be less expensive.

Areas generally outside of our target are:

  • Guildford due to distance from Hampshire
  • Camberley, Blackwater etc (north of M3) due to proximity to Reading HS
  • West or South of Farnham

A map of SHH members and a proposed search boundary has been set up here: SHH on Google Maps.

See also Dominic's analysis of the best location for the hackspace, based on this information.

Requirements

Originally gathered at Meeting 2012-05-22.

Alan Wood felt that 2000sqft was too large, and something in the 600-700sqft was much more affordable and a good first hackspace. London HS by comparison has two 1300sqft units, one for "clean" activities and one for a workshop and storage. Reading HS is approx 270sqft of usable space, plus stairs, storage etc and is generally considered to be too small. Brighton HS is 1000sqft plus another 1000sqft they can use at busy times.

Chris Roberts had been unable to find any locations below 2000sqft in Aldershot and Alan Wood suggested that we search for "Light Industrial" units.

Definite requirements:

  • Water and sewerage
  • Lavatory
  • Electricity
  • Ample parking
  • Refuse collection
  • Broadband capability

Preferably:

  • 3-phase electricity
  • Little or no internal finishings (e.g. hardwood floorings or carpets) we can mess up
  • Flexibility, both changes to space and not being tied to a long lease
  • Near to public transport
  • Space for radio antenna(s), e.g. above the building, or mounts on the side
  • Disabled access
  • Space outside to (temporarily) build larger projects

To quote LHS' search for a space in 2010:

Ideally we want at least two rooms/areas - one carpeted for hacking, light electronics, and chilling out, and an uncarpeted room for wood/metalworking. If it is a large open space we can build internal rooms ourselves, but bear in mind this is surprisingly expensive (and will have to be done to Building Regs)! Most landlords will also require the space to be returned to its original state once we move out.

Spaces against requirements

Site Water Lavatory Heating Electricity Broadband Parking Train
#Ivy Road, Aldershot  ?? Yes  ?? Yes  ?? Yes 24m, Aldershot
#Wyndham Street, Aldershot Yes Yes Yes Yes  ? Yes 8m, Aldershot
#18 Riverside, Farnham Yes Yes Yes 3-phase Phoneline Yes 10m, Farnham'
#Linsford Lane, Mytchett Yes Yes  ? 3-phase Phoneline Yes 30m, Ash V/Farnb'
#Ash Vale workshop Yes  ? Gas, poor? 3-phase  ? Yes 1m, Ash V/N Camp
#Elles House, Farnborough  ? Yes Yes Yes  ? Yes 17m, Farnb'
#North Lane, Aldershot Yes Yes Yes 3-phase  ? Yes 18m, A'shot

Improbable spaces

#East Clandon space No No No 1-phase  ?  ? 30m, Send?
#Enterprise Estate, Ash Vale  ?  ?  ? 3-phase  ? Yes 6m, Ash V/N Camp
#Bartons Yard, Odiham  ?  ?  ?  ?  ?  ? No
#Bridge Industrial Park, Camberley Yes Yes  ? 3-phase  ? Yes (2) 15m, Camb'
#Invincible Road, Farnborough Yes Yes Gas 3-phase Yes Yes 17m, Farnb'
#22 Elms Road, Aldershot  ? No?  ?  ?  ? Yes 5m, A'shot
#The New Barn, Badshot Lea Yes No?  ? 3-phase  ? Yes 40m, A'shot
#Beechnut Industrial Estate, Aldershot Yes Yes Central Yes?  ? Yes (1) 5m, A'shot
#Farnham Business Centre, Farnham Yes Yes Yes 3-phase  ? Yes 10m, Farnham

Costs

As well as rent, other costs will be for rates, insurance, service charges etc.

Robin's put together a list and estimates: Property Cost Estimation

Revision 2 of estimates: Property Cost Estimation

Rates

Business rates depend on the rateable value (RV) set by the Valuations Office and are around 41-45p to the £.

There are discounts to be had though:

  • Small business rate relief starts at 50% with a £6k RV up to 0% off with a £12k RV
  • Charity relief covers both registered charities and non-profit making organisations (at council's discretion) for 80% off

For comparison, LHS' two units have an RV of £5400 each and their budget lists rates at £486/mo. They don't receive any charity relief on the rates, as they don't have enough members from Hackney itself.

Places to search

List of probable spaces

Ivy Road, Aldershot

Belle Vue Enterprise Centre comprises a small unit industrial estate, owned and managed by Rushmoor Borough Council, offering flexible leasing arrangements to local and other businesses. The scheme provides individual, self-contained units with loading doors, set within a landscaped site that provides sufficient car parking and loading access to suit the vast majority of local occupiers. On site WC facilities are provided and managed, all services being kept to a high standard.

  • Address unit 14 Belle Vue Enterprise Centre, Ivy Road, Aldershot, Hampshire, GU12 4UA/4QW
  • map
  • Brochure
  • Size: 500 sq ft
  • Terms: All units are available for two year occupational leases, with tenants being able to give one months notice at any time.
  • Legal Costs: £300
  • Deposit: £500
  • Rent: £500 per month
  • Service Charge: £173 per quarter

Space cost analysis and projection

Wyndham Street, Aldershot

Ground floor warehouse with a shared yard/loading area. Parking available and close to public transport links. Visited by Al & Christel on 02/07/2012

Space cost analysis and projection

18 Riverside, Farnham

Two storey business unit suitable for office, light industrial and storage use. Popular and sought after estate in the centre of Farnham For sale/to let. Visited by Al & Christel on 02/07/2012

  • 18 Riverside Industrial Park, Dogflud Way, Farnham, GU9 7UG.
  • Map
  • Agent
  • Photos
  • Size : 1,120 sqft, 3 phase electricity, available now
  • Costs : £100,000 purchase or £10,860 + £500 pa Service

Linsford Lane, Mytchett

Visited on-spec by Alan Pope on 13th June 2012, read his list post for more details. And by AL,Christel and FC on 02/07/2012 (updated)

Stumbled upon this driving past. Secure coded gated industrial park in a residential area. As such they have some quirky Council-imposed limitations, but they're pretty flexible. Owner lives on site and is very prim and proper about the place, in a good way. It's all very clean and tidy. No units immediately available, however they're building two new ones which should be available in ~6 months. They also have a current tenant who is moving to another larger unit, so their unit becomes available. As this was a drive-by visit I didn't necessarily capture all the detail I might need to.

Unit is half brick, half steel construction. Has toilet & kitchen facilities and is split between office and workshop. I didn't get to go in because there is a tenant already in. Might be possible to book an appointment to have a look though. Quite a bit of parking space, but there's a fair number of units, so can get busy. She said they're making more spaces available (tearing down a bush in SW corner) which brings them up to ~106 spaces. The view on Google Maps is pretty accurate.

  • Address: Linsford Lane, Mytchett, Camberley, Surrey. GU16 6DJ
  • Map
  • Outside Photos, Inside Photos
  • Size: 1000 sq ft plus parking, available Sept-Oct timeframe
  • Cost: ~£10800 pa, 3-5 year lease with 6 month get out. +~£50/mo water, rubbish, sewage
  • Other: Has 3 phase power, on site manager, long term tennants, greenery around, is actually _on_ the Hampshire / Surrey border.
  • Issues: little or no public transport and usage restrictions : Monday-Saturday 7am-7pm, no access Sunday or bank holidays

Ash Vale Industrial Units

Canna Enterprise Estate, Lysons Avenue, Ash Vale GU12 5QF

Discussed on list by Alan Wood:

Hi Folks remember yesterday I mentioned a really low cost industrial unit at £1.99 per sqft it here http://www.traynorryan.com/9276.htm on my ex clients site. Take a look and let me know your thoughts, its cheap because of its construction likely and prob somewhat rundown, but its position is excellent within walking distance of 2 train stations on 2 different lines alton-waterloo and reading gatwick.

Visited by Alan Pope and described (see photos below).

  • Address: Canna Enterprise Estate, Lysons Avenue, Ash Vale GU12 5QF
  • Agent information (brochure, PDF)
  • Map of area
  • Photos
  • Size: Unit J: 1985 sq ft, units B/E: ~2541 sq ft
  • Cost: Unit J: £3771 pa, units B/E: £5056 pa (£1.99 per sq ft)

Elles House, Farnborough

A ground floor industrial unit forming part of Elles House, which is owned and occupied by our clients Castle & Pryor. As the premises are part of a larger building, the industrial unit benefits from the use of the shared refitted male and female toilet facilities elsewhere in the building.

The premises are situated on the Invincible Road Industrial Estate, which is within walking distance of the local out of town retail schemes and Town Centre.

  • Address: Elles House, 4B Invincible Road, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 7QU
  • Brochure, PDF (agents)
  • Map of area
  • Size: 1000 sq ft
  • Cost: £10000 pa (including rates, building insurance and heating)


North Lane, Aldershot

Detached self contained workshop/offices (single unit). With private parking. Flexible terms. Excellent access to to A331, M3, A3. WC & Kitchen facilities. Refurbished. Established business area. Intruder alarm. Rent inclusive of business rates liability. Heating. 3 Phase power.

List of improbable spaces

East Clandon space

Improbable due to lack of facilities.

Raised at Meeting 2012-05-22 by Chris Roberts.

Chris Roberts mentioned that a friend of his had recently taken on a £4,000pa building, of which he only requires about a quarter of the space. This building was located in East Clandon, near Send Prison. The building was little more than a roof and walls, as far as Chris knew, but there was a possibility that it might be available to sub-rent inexpensively and, just as importantly, without a long commitment. Security was non-existent, and we would need to provide some security, which would also benefit Chris's friend, and might be an added incentive.

Update: no 3-phase, no lavatory, no water.

Bartons Yard, Odiham

Improbable to location towards M3, away from Surrey.

Light industrial/warehouse unit with secure yard and on site parking. Very convenient access for junction 5 of the M3.

Bridge Industrial Park, Camberley

Improbable to location towards M3, nearer to RHS.

Buildings 3 & 7 offer 12 newly partitioned and refurbished industrial units featuring loading doors, toilet facility, kitchenette, 3 phase power supply and designated parking. This is an ideal opportunity for car mechanics, and similar intensive industrial users to operate without difficulties from the landlord.

Bridge Road is situated off of the Frimley Road approximately half of one mile from the A30 London Road. There is ample local shopping within walking distance.

New leases available based on effective internal repairing and insuring lease terms for 3 or 5 years.

  • Address: Bridge Trade/Industrial Park, Bridge Road, Camberley, Surrey, GU51 2QR
  • Agent information (brochure, PDF)
  • Map of area
  • Size: 1220-2180 sq ft
  • Cost: £8235 pa (£6.75 per sq ft), service charge: £915 (£0.75 per sq ft)

Invincible Road, Farnborough

Improbable due to cost(?)

Industrail unit close to Farnborough town centre. Mezzanine covering the rear third of the unit. - below the mez is a toilet and sink area to one side, to the other side is an enclosed office area, the 1st floor has 3 office spaces. Has good security - roller shutter security door on front door, 2 year old steel fire door at the back, rfid alarm system, linked to call centre. The police also operate a business watch scheme in the area. Gas Heating. 3 Phase power. Parking. Close to Farnborough main train station. Close to Farnborough town centre for shops, restaurants takeaway etc. Broadband available.

  • Address: unit 6, Kingsgrove Industrail Estate, Farnborugh, GU14 7SS.
  • brochure
  • Map of area
  • Size 1,888 sq ft
  • Cost £14500 pa (rates £7,361)
  • Unsure of lease terms

22 Elms Road, Aldershot

Improbable due to lack of facilities, size etc

Workshop with internal and external storage. Town centre location. Flexible lease. New lease.

The accommodation comprises a workshop with covered parking and open storage at the rear. The workshop is accessed via a metal concertina access door with a height of approximately 7ft (2.13 m). The accommodation is divided into two bays and includes a solid floor and dual timber access doors.

DC contacted for more info about electricity, water etc. No response.

The New Barn, Badshot Lea

Improbable due to lack of office use?

The barn is a timber clad steel frame building constructed approximately 5 years ago secure and well specified for barn storage use. Presently used for horticultural storage it has a rough concrete floor, double door access. The associated land backs on to the A31 hidden by close board fencing, is surfaced with scalping, flood lit. The landlord will improve the security fencing if required. Situated next to private dwellings and an office.

Listed as a "secure" barn plus land nearby. Has 3-phase electricity.

  • Address: The New Barn, Runfold St. George, Badshot Lea, Farnham, Surrey, GU10 1PL
  • Agent information (brochure, PDF)
  • Map of area
  • Size: 686 sq ft (plus land?)
  • Cost: contact, though listed on one site as £10000 pa (for what?). Rates are £4782 pa.


Beechnut Industrial Estate, Aldershot

(moved as it is it already let) Beechnut Industrial Estate is an established estate with a mix of specialist car workshops very close to the town centre and within easy walking distance from the railway station.

The property is a neat business unit divided into separate cells with a small loading door having dimensions 3.05 m high and 1.74 m wide. The first floor mezzanine area is fitted with a shower, WC and kitchenette. The property can be recarpeted if required by a new tenant. The property benefits from gas central heating and and insulated composite panelled roof.

There are notes about business rates in the brochure, including that the VO hasn't split the property yet, but they're expecting the RV to be £6600 so it gets small business relief.

Farnham Business Centre, Farnham

Unit 8, previously used as pizza takeaway premises. Close to Farnham town centre, walking distance from train station, bus stop (Aldershot/North Camp and a variety of other bus routes) just outside the door. On-site parking with an additional two large-ish carparks outside (pay to park). The unit has a loading door and office space on the first floor.

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